we'll continue to have that legal friction both on civil liberties and foreign policy questions. the first instinct to combat is that people are rightfully outraged at these killers. part of what they want to do is shut down the thought process and the constitutional system that we rely on because i see a lot of liberals saying, forget it, get rid of them. do whatever you got to do. >> yep. >> it's an understandable feeling because of the horror we saw this week. it can be understandable and be wrong. just as there was a gap in the foreign policy platform there, we're going to see gaps between the feelings and the rhetoric out there you alluded to some of what some republican and democratic members of congress have been talking about. that's a big gap from what our laws require. >> so i really appreciate how you put that. i do think -- it's absolutely reasonable to be afraid. particularly to be afraid over the course of this week in part because we as news media, we're giving you, this is happening and it felt very scary. my daughter normally travels with me on the weekends. ther